How do I handle lending money to friends and family and what are the tax issues related to making those loans?

Navigating the tricky waters of lending money to friends and family can be fraught with emotional and financial risks. Ralph dives deep into this topic, emphasizing that it might often be wiser to consider such transactions as gifts rather than loans to preserve relationships. He shares a cautionary tale about Stephanie, who lent her brother money to help his business, only to face late payments, strained relations, and ultimately, a courtroom battle that tore their family apart. As Ralph unpacks the complexities of these lending scenarios, he highlights the importance of clear agreements, understanding tax implications, and prioritizing relationships over money. Throughout the discussion, Ralph addresses the key question: "How do I handle lending money to friends and family and what are the tax issues related to making those loans?"—offering practical, thoughtful advice on how to approach these delicate situations with grace and financial wisdom.
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Podcast Timestamps:
00:00 Episode Overview
01:00 Listener’s Question: Alex’s Dilemma About Lending $10,000 to His Sister
02:25 Bible Verse: Proverbs 22:7
03:30 Real-Life Story: Stephanie’s Broken Relationship After Lending to Her Brother
08:04 What to Consider Before Lending to Friends or Family #1 Put Everything in Writing
08:35 #2 Charge Interest
09:03 #3 Keep Good Records
09:37 #4 Consider Collateral
09:56 #5 Be Prepared to Report the Interest
10:30 Recap and Closing
Takeaways:
- Lending money to family can strain relationships; consider giving without expectation of repayment.
- It's crucial to formalize any loan agreement to protect your financial interests.
- Understanding the tax implications of loans and gifts is essential for financial planning.
- Always approach lending to friends and family with a mindset of potential loss.
- Consider the emotional impact of lending; relationships are often more valuable than money.
- Maintain clear records of all transactions to avoid misunderstandings and legal disputes.
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00:00 - None
00:00 - Introduction to Lending Dilemmas
01:21 - Listener Inquiry: Alex's Dilemma
03:38 - Stephanie's Cautionary Tale
06:45 - Navigating the Emotional Landscape
10:58 - Key Takeaways from Alex and Stephanie
14:50 - Final Thoughts and Next Episode Preview
Have you ever been caught in that awkward situation of a family member asking for money?
RalphThe tension, the guilt, the fear of damaging relationships.
RalphIt's enough to make anyone uncomfortable.
RalphBut what if I told you there's a way to navigate this minefield with grace, wisdom, and financial savvy?
RalphStay tuned as we dive into the tricky world of lending money to friends and family and uncover the tax implication you need to know.
RalphToday on the Ask Ralph show, we're answering the question, how do I handle lending money to friends and family?
RalphAnd what are the tax issues related to making those loans?
Askgrow MakeshiWelcome to the Ask Ralph podcast, where listening to an experienced financial professional with over 30 years of experience can help you make sense of confusing questions, current headlines and industry trends about taxes, small business, financial decision making, investment strategies, and even the art of proper budgeting.
Askgrow MakeshiAskgrow Makeshi the complex simple by sharing his real world knowledge from a christian perspective with all things financial.
Askgrow MakeshiNow here's your host, Ralph estep Junior.
RalphWell, if you missed yesterday's show, we explored seven ways your bank can help you stick to your budget.
RalphSo if you miss it, I want you to go back and listen because I shared some really game changing strategies that could really revolutionize your budgeting process.
RalphRemember, all of our previous episodes are right there.
RalphYou can catch up at any time.
RalphWell, now lets dive into todays topic with a message from one of our listeners.
RalphThis one actually comes from Alex.
RalphAnd Alex writes this dear Ralph, Im in a tough spot.
RalphMy sister recently asked me for a $10,000 loan to help with her small business.
RalphI want to help, but Im worried about the potential consequences.
RalphWhat if she cant pay me back?
RalphWill this affect our relationship?
RalphAnd honestly, Im not even sure how to handle this from a tax perspective.
RalphI feel lost and anxious about the whole situation.
RalphCan you please help me navigate this?
RalphAlex?
RalphThis is one of the things I hear about all the time.
RalphSo I hear your concern.
RalphI can sense it in the tone of what you wrote me.
RalphAnd I want you to know you're not alone in this struggle.
RalphA lot of us deal with this.
RalphI've dealt with this in my own life, in my own family.
RalphIt's a dilemma.
RalphAnd at some point in our lives, it's a situation that we're going to find ourselves in.
RalphAnd here's the thing, it requires careful consideration because the truth is, this is both a financial and an emotional decision.
RalphSo let's unpack this together.
RalphLet's find a path forward that aligns with our financial goals and our faith.
RalphNow remember, I want to remind you, at this point, the heart of the show is answering your questions.
RalphSo if you've got a burning financial question or a situation you need guidance on, please send it in.
RalphYou can go to justaskraph.com.
Ralphbecause the truth is your questions.
RalphThose questions we get every day, they shape our show, and my goal is to help you navigate your financial journey.
RalphI was thinking about it.
RalphWe got to consider Alex's situation.
RalphIt reminded me of a powerful verse from the Bible that speaks directly to this issue, and it can provide us some guidance on how to approach these financial matters, especially when it comes to helping others.
RalphSo let's go to the book of proverbs 22 seven, which says, the rich rule over the poor and the borrower is slave to the lender.
RalphThe truth is, this verse gives us profound insight into the nature of lending and borrowing.
RalphSee, it's not just about the money, it's about the power dynamic it creates.
RalphAs we dive into Alex's question, let's keep this wisdom in mind and explore how we can handle lending situations in a way that honors both our financial stewardship and our relationship.
RalphSo Alex, that's my goal for today.
RalphSo here we go.
RalphLet me start by sharing a story with you that I think a lot of people will relate to.
RalphI think it'll resonate with you.
RalphAnd it's about my client, Stephanie.
RalphAnd Stephanie's story I'm going to share with you.
RalphIt illustrates those potential pitfalls when you're lending money to family members.
RalphNow picture Stephanie.
RalphShe thought she was doing the right thing.
RalphHer brother came to her and asked for $20,000 for his business.
RalphNow, the time was supposed to be a short term loan, as he said, just to help him through a rough patch.
RalphStephanie was smart.
RalphShe drew up a simple agreement.
RalphShe thought this would be enough to protect her relationship, but more importantly, protect her investment.
RalphBecause again, were balancing finances and emotion.
RalphAnd she told me at first, Rob, everything seemed fine.
RalphHer brother made the first few payments on time.
RalphHe was a great borrower.
RalphBut then the payments started coming late.
RalphStephanie would say to him, hey dude, when are you going to pay me?
RalphAnd he would always have an excuse.
RalphI'm short this week, I'm sure this week.
RalphAnd then all of a sudden, they stopped coming all together.
RalphNow, Stephanie tried to be understanding.
RalphShe tried to say to him, look, I get it.
RalphLet's catch back up next week or let's catch back up in two weeks.
RalphBut then all of a sudden, the months went by and without any money coming in, she began to worry.
RalphShe tried again.
RalphShe tried reaching out to her brother.
RalphShe tried to call him, have that face to face meetings.
RalphAnd what she noticed is he became really defensive.
RalphAnd all of a sudden, he came out with this accusation.
RalphHe said to her, I don't think you believe in me.
RalphYou're not supporting my dream.
RalphAnd the sad part of it was, she told me, they were once super close.
RalphAnd with this situation, they just began to argue and fuss and fight and more and more.
RalphAnd Stephanie tells me, Ralph, finally I get to the point where I had no other choice.
RalphShe said, I needed this money.
RalphSo she took her brother to court.
RalphAnd I know what all you thinking, ouch, that's brutal.
RalphWhen you're taking a family member to court, that is brutal.
RalphWe've reached Defcon five.
RalphAnd the truth is, the legal battle was long and expensive.
RalphBut more than that, it tore her family apart.
RalphHer parents, her siblings, each of them took their sides.
RalphOne said, stephen, I can't believe you're taking your brother to court.
RalphAnd with that, these family gatherings became tense affairs.
RalphAnd the truth is, Stephanie wouldn't come or her brother wouldn't come.
RalphAnd when they did show up at the same place, because they had to, they completely avoided each other.
RalphNow, listen, in the end, Stephanie says, hey, ralph, I went to court.
RalphI want the case.
RalphI had the documents.
RalphI could prove that he wasn't paying me.
RalphSo she won her case.
RalphBut when she looked back at it, she said, ralph, this is a hollow victory, because not soon after, the judge stamped the paper that said that her brother needed to pay her, her brother went and declared bankruptcy.
RalphAnd guess what?
RalphShe never saw a dime of the money she lent him.
RalphAnd she said, ralph, you think that was bad enough?
RalphBut the real cost, she told me, was the destruction of her relationship with her brother and the division it caused in her family.
RalphThere were really two camps because of this situation.
RalphStephanie's story is a powerful reminder of the risk involved in lending money to family and friends.
RalphIt's not just about the financial risk, as I've said, it's about the emotional and the relational risks as well.
RalphSo you might ask, Ralph, what can we learn from Stephanie's experience?
RalphHow can we navigate these tricky waters?
RalphFirst, let's address the question of whether to lender give in the first place.
RalphAnd this is a question I've had to face in my own life, and I'm sure people listen.
RalphYou're listening to this right now.
RalphI bet you have to.
RalphAnd I'm going to say this.
RalphIn many cases, especially with family, it might be better.
RalphConsider any money you provide as a gift rather than a loan, because here's the way I look at it.
RalphIf you can afford to give the money without expectation of repayment, you remove that potential for resentment.
RalphYou remove that potential for damaged relationships that can come with those unpaid loans.
RalphIf you feel you've got to value the relationship over the money first, then you might want to just consider it a gift.
RalphAnd you've also got to take this mindset.
RalphYou've got to be willing and able to completely lose the money.
RalphThat's just a fact.
RalphAnd if you do decide to give a gift, it's important to understand the tax implications that I'm not going to spend a lot of time talking about that, but I want to take a minute here.
RalphSo as of 2024, you can give up to $18,000 per person per year without having to report it to the IR's.
RalphNow, there's also this thing known as the annual gift tax exclusion.
RalphSo anything above this amount needs to be reported on the gift tax return.
RalphBut the truth is you likely won't owe any tax unless you've exceeded your lifetime gifts tax exemption, which is currently like $13 million.
RalphNow I did a show about gift taxes on May 2 of 2024, and I'll put a link to it in the show notes.
RalphYou can also find it@askgroudpodcast.com explanation of gift taxes so I encourage you to go check it out.
RalphNow, let's say you decide that a loan is the best option.
RalphYou don't want to take my advice.
RalphYou don't want to do that gift thing, but you really want to do a loan.
RalphHere are some steps you can use to formalize and protect itself.
RalphAnd the first thing I'm going to tell you to do, put everything in writing.
RalphCreate that promissory note that outlines the loan amount you want to talk about.
RalphWhat is the interest rate?
RalphWhat are the repayment terms and any consequences for later missed payment.
RalphYou've got to treat this as a business transaction, just like if you were going to a bank or a credit union or some other lending institution.
RalphLay it out in writing in black and white.
RalphHere's the amount you're borrowing, here's the interest rate, here's the repayment terms, and then talk about what happens if they don't pay.
RalphSecond thing, I'm going to encourage you charge interest.
RalphThe IR's requires that you charge a minimum interest rate on loans over $10,000 to avoid it being considered a gift.
RalphSee, that's a thing.
RalphThe IR's could say this is really a gift and then trigger that whole gift tax return, which I don't think is going to impact you.
RalphBut they use this thing called the applicable federal rate, and that's a monthly rate set by the IR's.
RalphBut I think you should charge interest anyway because your goal is to get them to repay you in a short period of time.
RalphNumber three, as Stephanie learned, keep good records.
RalphYou got to document all the payments received and keep copies of all loan related documents.
RalphLike I said, treat this like the business loan that it is, and make sure you have all the records in order with the expectation that this will result in a court case.
RalphSo start off with it with the thought of, and I know this stinks with family, but it's a business decision.
RalphSo start off with the expectation that you're going to have to prove this in court, because, again, this is a business decision at this point, not a personal decision.
RalphAnother thing, I worked in lending for a long time.
RalphNumber four, consider collateral.
RalphListen, if it's a significant amount of money you're loaning, you might want to secure the loan with collateral, such as a car or property or some sort of collateral to protect yourself, because you've already decided you can't afford to gift the money.
RalphSo now you've decided to loan it.
RalphYou want to get paid.
RalphAnd number five, you got to do this as a tax thing.
RalphAgain, be prepared to report the interest you receive as income on your tax return.
RalphSo someone's paying you interest even on what we'll call a personal loan.
RalphYou've got to report that on your tax return.
RalphAnd remember, even with all these precautions, lending money to family or friends carries risk.
RalphSo it's crucial to go into with your eyes open.
RalphYou got to understand it.
RalphYou might not get that money back, but bigger than that, like Stephanie learned, that relationship could be strained or completely destroyed.
RalphIt might bring out ugly in people.
RalphIt might cause family rifts and all that kind of stuff.
RalphSo let's take a few minutes to just recap the key points we covered today.
RalphNumber one, as I said, this is Ralph's biggest takeaway.
RalphIf you don't listen to anything else I said today, consider giving rather than lending.
RalphWhen it comes to family and friends, just give it to them.
RalphNow, it depends on the amount, obviously, and you don't want to become an enabler, but I think that's where you got to start.
RalphSecond thing, understand the tax implications of gifts and loans.
RalphI put that link to my show where you can go find out about that.
RalphNumber three, if you do lend money, I think I stress this a lot.
RalphFormalize that agreement and be prepared for potential consequences.
RalphStart off with the expectation this is going to land in front of a judge.
RalphI hate to say that, and that stinks.
RalphYou're dealing with family and friends, but that's the truth.
RalphAnd number four, again, if you don't listen to anything else I've said, prioritize your relationship over that.
RalphMoney.
RalphThat's what it comes down to.
RalphMoney goes away.
RalphBut relationships are something you really want to focus in on.
RalphAnd I've seen this happen so many times with my clients, even with friends and family.
RalphSomebody approached them and said, can you help me out, Ralph?
RalphCan you help me?
RalphI got a saying, and you're probably gonna like this kind of harsh.
RalphI've had family members come up to me and say, hey, can I borrow some money?
RalphI said, look, I don't feed cats.
RalphA lot of people say, wow, that's harsh.
RalphBut here's the truth.
RalphIf somebody wants to come to me and say, ralph, I'm having a hard time, I'm struggling, you know what?
RalphI will go with them to the grocery store and get them some groceries.
RalphI'll go fill up their tank of gas.
RalphBut I'm not going to sit there and continue to enable them, if they need to, find a way to fix this in their own lives.
RalphBecause the truth is, if you just help them and help them and help them, and I think Stephanie learns with her brother.
RalphHonestly, I didn't know the brother, but I think he went into it with the intention that he's just going to get this money from his sister and never have to pay it back.
RalphThat, that's pretty much what we talked about today.
RalphNow, tomorrow we're going to be talking about why states with no income tax aren't as affordable as they may seem.
RalphI have a lot of clients that approach me, say, Ralph, I'm going to move to such and such state because they have no state income tax.
RalphBut when I looked at it, it's not that simple.
RalphA lot of people just think that's in a vacuum, like it's in a silo by itself.
RalphSo I'm going to handle that on tomorrow's show.
RalphAnd you don't want to miss that.
RalphNow, maybe you're struggling with a situation like Alex's or Stephanie's.
RalphYou're feeling the weight of financial decisions and you're worried about hate, how they can impact your relationships.
RalphHere's the first thing I'm going to tell you, don't go it alone.
RalphI'm here to help you navigate these complex waters.
RalphMaybe overall you're feeling overwhelmed by your financial situation.
RalphMaybe you just want to check and make sure you're on the right track.
RalphI deal with clients every day that just come in for a temperature check.
RalphThey want to make sure they're doing the right things.
RalphI'd love to help you, and I can help you.
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RalphI will help you move from living paycheck to paycheck.
RalphMaybe you feel like you're moving three steps forward only to get shoved far back four steps back.
RalphThey say, I will help you achieve financial freedom because my goal is to help you break free from the financial bondage.
RalphI want you to improve your personal finances.
RalphAnd maybe you're saying, Ralph, look, I'm good on the personal side, but my business is struggling.
RalphI need somebody to help me.
RalphI need a coach to help me get that business to the next level.
RalphMaybe it's organize your finances or grow your business.
RalphMy overall goal is to help you achieve all of your financial goals.
RalphAnd I do that by creating a personalized plan just for you, not some cookie cutter approach of do this, do this.
RalphHere's my top three things.
RalphThose things are great, but you need to work with someone one on one to do that.
RalphSo here's my takeaway from this.
RalphDon't let financial stress strain your relationships or hold you back from your dreams.
RalphSchedule today, and let's create a plan tailored just for you.
RalphAnd if we're not able to find a personalized plan for you, I will refund your money.
RalphRemember this, my passion is to help you achieve financial success.
RalphThis is why I turn the microphone on.
RalphI turn the camera on.
RalphI plan out these episodes because I want you to live out your dreams.
RalphAnd more importantly, I grow that faith that comes alongside of this.
RalphIt's not just finances.
RalphIt's not just faith.
RalphIt's when those two things come together.
RalphAnd I know working together, we can master your finances from a christian perspective.
RalphSo, as always on this show, stay financially savvy and may God bless.