How Do You Survive Financially When You're Barely Making It?

Today, we're diving into the nitty-gritty of financial confidence and tackling some real-life money struggles from our listeners. We’re chatting about feeling overwhelmed with debt, dealing with food insecurity, and figuring out tax decisions that can either save us a buck or bite us in the wallet. Our first guest is a travel nurse who’s juggling a tight budget while her husband retrains for a better job. We also hear from a 36-year-old who feels like she’s playing catch-up with her finances, and a couple weighing the pros and cons of filing taxes separately. So, if you've ever felt like you're treading water in a financial sea, grab a seat and let’s break that cycle of shame together! How Do You Survive Financially When You're Barely Making It?
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Ralph Estep Jr. dives deep into the world of financial confidence for believers, tackling real-life money struggles with a no-nonsense, shame-free approach. This episode welcomes questions from listeners, including a travel nurse feeling the financial pinch as her husband retrains for a new career, a 36-year-old wondering if she's too late to start saving, and a couple navigating the tricky waters of tax filing for optimal student loan repayment. Ralph emphasizes that feeling overwhelmed is common, and he reassures listeners that they're not alone in their financial journeys. He shares practical tips, including checking eligibility for assistance programs and taking small steps towards financial stability. The conversation is sprinkled with humor and relatable anecdotes, keeping it light while addressing serious issues. The core message? You're not failing; you're surviving, and every little step counts towards a brighter financial future.
Takeaways:
- Being financially confident means breaking the cycle of shame and embracing real talk.
- You're not alone in your struggles; many feel the same financial pressures out there.
- Every financial situation has an end date; things can and will get better, trust me.
- Finding community support, like food banks and assistance programs, can really lighten the load.
- Don't let financial shame isolate you; opening up is the first step to finding solutions.
- You have the power to change your financial future, one small step at a time.
Links referenced in this episode:
- financiallyconfidentchristian.com
- financiallyconfidentchristian.com/fcclive
- studentaid.gov
- kiplinger.com
- coastcapital.ca
- financiallyconfidentchristian.com/voicemail
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Coast Capital
- Kiplingers
- studentaid.gov
- Faithful Money Framework
- Patreon
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00:00 - Untitled
00:37 - Untitled
00:41 - Introduction to Financial Confidence
02:42 - Navigating Financial Struggles
10:56 - Breaking the Silence on Financial Shame
17:20 - Understanding Financial Challenges and Solutions
19:13 - Understanding Student Loan Repayment Plans
28:57 - Understanding Filing Options for Couples
35:19 - Financial Guidance and Personal Growth
Hey everybody.
Speaker AWelcome to Financially Confident Christian Live.
Speaker AI'm Ralph Estepp Jr. And I'm so glad you're here today.
Speaker AThis show is for believers who want to grow in confidence with their money and finally break that cycle of financial shame and live with confidence.
Speaker AThis show isn't about shame.
Speaker AIt's not about pressure and it's not about pretending.
Speaker AThis is a show where we have real conversations about fear and pressure, about debt, stewardship and hope, and about that next right step.
Speaker AI've got three questions today from listeners just like you.
Speaker AWe're going to listen into a travel nurse whose family is stretched to the limit, a 36 year old who feels behind because she's just gotten started, and a couple trying to make the right tax decision.
Speaker AThese are people going through and doing everyday right things and still feeling like they're not enough.
Speaker ADoes that sound familiar to me?
Speaker AIt sounds familiar to me.
Speaker AThis is a no judgment space.
Speaker AYou're not alone.
Speaker AYou're not too late.
Speaker AHere's how it works.
Speaker AIf you're joining me on Clubhouse, you can join me on stage or post right in the comments.
Speaker AIf you're on YouTube, feel free to drop it in the chat.
Speaker AAll right, let's get started.
Speaker ANow.
Speaker AAgain, this happens every Friday at 1pm Eastern.
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Speaker AThat's Financially Confident Christian.
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Speaker AYou get to that by going to financiallyconfidentchristian.com fcclive.
Speaker AWe'll put that in the show notes, but let me give you that again, it's financially confident Christian.com FCCLive well, let's get right to our first question and if you've got a question, feel free to type it into the chat.
Speaker AIf you're joining us on Clubhouse, you can ask to be brought on stage and actually ask your question.
Speaker AI'm happy to answer it.
Speaker AWell, let's jump right into our first listener question.
Speaker AThis listener question says this says Ralph, my husband lost his job in February and went back to school to get qualifications so he can actually support our family.
Speaker AI'm a travel nurse so my income covers the mortgage and the basics.
Speaker ABut we're really stretched in.
Speaker AHe's starting a part time job this week.
Speaker ABut even with that, we're going to be really struggling to get through the next year.
Speaker AWe have a toddler and another baby on the way.
Speaker ASounds like you got your hands full.
Speaker AI make just enough to disqualify us from food stamps, but our grocery bills are killing us.
Speaker AI feel like I'm doing everything I can to save, but I don't know how we're going to make it.
Speaker AHow do I survive one more year while being broke?
Speaker AI would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Speaker AWell, first thing is thank you so much for sending me that question.
Speaker AThis is a question I get all the time.
Speaker AThere's a lot of people in a very similar circumstance to you, and it sounds to me like you're doing everything right.
Speaker AYou've alluded to that in your question.
Speaker AYou're like, ralph, I'm saving.
Speaker AI'm doing all these things.
Speaker AYour husband is going back and getting skills, which is all great.
Speaker ASo you're doing all the right things, but you're still feeling like you're short.
Speaker AAnd unfortunately, like a lot of folks, you're making too much money to qualify for help, but not enough to feel stable.
Speaker AAnd listen, I'll raise my hand and say, right now, the price of groceries is outrageous.
Speaker AI went to the grocery store with my wife a week or two ago, and she always thinks, like, I'm crazy when I walk down the aisles because I sort of like sticker shock as I walk down.
Speaker AIt's like, this cost how much?
Speaker ASo I totally get it.
Speaker AAdd to that the weight you're carrying that you feel like you're carrying this alone while your partner rebuilds.
Speaker AAll of those things are good things.
Speaker ABut I understand the pressure.
Speaker AI understand the overwhelm that you're feeling.
Speaker ABut I want to start off with some main things here.
Speaker ANumber one thing, you're not failing.
Speaker AYou're making all the right decisions.
Speaker AYour mortgage is paid.
Speaker AYour family's fed.
Speaker AHey, your husband's building towards something better.
Speaker AIf you said to me, hey, my husband's not working, he's laying on the couch like a bum, then we'd have a different discussion.
Speaker ABut your husband is doing things to help himself.
Speaker AHe's doing things to better himself.
Speaker AAll of those things are success, even if it doesn't feel like it right now.
Speaker ANow, one of the things you mentioned in your question was qualifying for benefits.
Speaker AI think you might want to take a look at that again and check what you actually qualify for.
Speaker AI'm going to list a few things as we prepared for this show.
Speaker AWe got your question ahead of time.
Speaker AI. I wanted to list a couple things that might be useful to you.
Speaker AOne of the things you could look at is wic.
Speaker AThere are local food banks.
Speaker AA lot of churches have church pantries.
Speaker AAnd you might be saying, ralph, I don't really want to be involved in that.
Speaker AI totally understand that.
Speaker ABut if you're a hospital employee, a lot of hospitals have assistance programs.
Speaker AA lot of these things go missed.
Speaker AA lot of people don't realize that just one conversation could really free up some real money for you.
Speaker AThe other thing I want you to understand is all of this has an end date.
Speaker AAnd you mentioned you are having a baby.
Speaker ACongratulations.
Speaker AI'm getting ready to be a grandfather here pretty soon.
Speaker AIn fact, just yesterday as I record this, my daughter in law went to the doctor and they moved her due date up.
Speaker ASo it's about any day now.
Speaker AWe're just super excited.
Speaker ABut I also realize in your situation, this has an end date.
Speaker AYour husband's income is going to grow once he gets through his retraining or whatever he's working on.
Speaker AYou weren't specific in that.
Speaker AHe's going to get a better job, he's going to be re employed, the baby's going to arrive and next year is going to look a lot different.
Speaker AThe pressure that you're feeling right now is real, I get that.
Speaker ABut it's not permanent and you can't define your whole existence around it.
Speaker AAnd plus, to be frank with you, it's not good for your mental health.
Speaker AI want to go to scripture now because with this show I always want to put some scripture into what we're talking about.
Speaker AAnd this one comes from the book of Proverbs.
Speaker AThis is the Proverbs, chapter 8, verse 11.
Speaker AIt says, for wisdom is more precious than rubies.
Speaker AAnd in a lot of ways your husband is getting wisdom right now.
Speaker AThat's what he's doing.
Speaker AHe's going and bettering himself.
Speaker AHe's getting that education or that training.
Speaker AThat right there is an investment in your family's future.
Speaker AAnd that is an absolutely beautiful thing to do.
Speaker AAnd listen, I came from a single income.
Speaker AMy mother and my dad split up when I was younger.
Speaker ASo I totally understand that transition.
Speaker ASo right now in the chat, if anybody is feeling this same pressure, I would love to hear from you.
Speaker AIs there anything that you can provide or any ideas that you have to help this person survive this difficult time?
Speaker AWhat's interesting is in addition to that we found an article.
Speaker ANow this article was written by something called Coast Capital.
Speaker AIt's called Breaking the Cycle of Financial Shame.
Speaker AAnd we'll put a link to that in the show notes.
Speaker AI encourage you to check it out.
Speaker AAnd the reason why this article is so important is it really highlights the fact that your family situation isn't unique.
Speaker AThere's actually research on exactly what you're experiencing.
Speaker AAnd I want to share that with you because it changes how you see your own struggle.
Speaker AHere's the main points that it talks about in this article.
Speaker AFirst thing, feeling like everyone else has it figured out except for you.
Speaker AI think all of us lean into that at times.
Speaker AWe feel like there's no way I'm the only one that's on this aisle.
Speaker AAnd I feel like I'm all by myself on this.
Speaker ABut guess what?
Speaker AThere's a lot of people that have gone through what you're going through.
Speaker AThere's a lot of people that are right now going through what you're going through.
Speaker AThe other problem that this article talks about, I'm going to get to some statistics here in a couple quotes in a minute.
Speaker AThe other thing it says here is thinking about money constantly but never talking about it.
Speaker ANow you've reached out, so you've already broken that bond of just keeping it inside.
Speaker AA lot of people just take this inside and they don't share it with other people.
Speaker AThey don't talk about it with other people.
Speaker ASo that is the first step of that, because believing you're alone in this struggle is really hard, but you're actually in the majority.
Speaker AA lot of people are feeling these same stresses.
Speaker ALet me give you some examples of this.
Speaker AHere's some statistics right from this article.
Speaker A36% Of people feel shame about their finances.
Speaker AThat's more than one in three.
Speaker AThe whole focus of this show is helping you break that cycle of financial shame.
Speaker ABut listen, you're not alone in that.
Speaker A36% Of people, just like you, feel shame about their finances.
Speaker AHere's another statistic.
Speaker A74% Think about money for more than they talk about it.
Speaker ASo they think about it, but they don't talk about it.
Speaker ABut the thing I love about this article, it states a very basic thing.
Speaker AIt says when people finally open up, they realize they're not alone in this.
Speaker AAnd I think that's so important.
Speaker ALet me give you some quotes from the article.
Speaker AOne of the quotes is from this woman named Amy Chao, and it says the silence that shame imposes is prevailing, preventing us from having important conversations and actively taking steps within our control that can unlock financial opportunities and improve our situation.
Speaker AIt's that silence because we all are feeling the shame.
Speaker ABut that very silence is preventing us from having the important conversations and actively doing something within our control that can unlock some opportunities.
Speaker AHere's another quote from somebody named Chantel Chapman.
Speaker AShe's a financial trauma researcher, and she says this.
Speaker AShe says financial shame isolates us and can lead to avoidance patterns, making financial literacy support and pathways to actions inaccessible.
Speaker AAgain, it's that financial shame.
Speaker AWe put ourselves in this bubble, and what it does is it isolates us from things that can help us, and it makes us avoid things.
Speaker AIt doesn't allow us to go and get that literacy that we need, get the support we need.
Speaker AHere's another quote from Chantel.
Speaker AShe says naming this experience is a starting intervention to overcoming shame.
Speaker AWe can see ourselves in the data and know we're not alone.
Speaker AAnd I think that's a big part of this.
Speaker AOnce you see that you're not alone in this, that you're not the only one that's dealing with this, I think it makes it so much easier.
Speaker ASo here's my take on this whole thing.
Speaker AYou, as a travel nurse, you're not an exception to this.
Speaker AYou're actually the rule to this.
Speaker AThe shame that you're feeling, the struggle you're feeling, comes from silence.
Speaker AIt's not the situation.
Speaker ASo the first thing is to break that silence.
Speaker AThat's really the first move.
Speaker AWhich leads me to Proverbs 28:13.
Speaker AWhoever conceals their sin does not prosper, but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.
Speaker AListen, talk about this with other people.
Speaker AYou're not alone in this.
Speaker AYou're not the only one that's going through this.
Speaker AAnd I want you to have hope in that.
Speaker ANow, has anyone else that wants to share, feel free to come up here and make a comment.
Speaker AIf not, we're going to move right into our second question.
Speaker AAnd this one I've titled already.
Speaker ABehind.
Speaker AAnd here's the question we got.
Speaker ARalph.
Speaker AI'm 36 years old, I'm single.
Speaker AI've got no kids, no 401k.
Speaker AAnd, oh, here, I'm sorry.
Speaker AHe says, I'm 36, single, no kids, living in Orlando.
Speaker AI make $35,000 a year at a job I hate.
Speaker AAs soon as I heard that, I said, oh, I'm very interested in this one.
Speaker AHow many people are in jobs that they hate?
Speaker ALet me continue.
Speaker AHe says, I have no retirement, no 401k, no health insurance, and $216,000 in student loan debt from a degree I can't really use.
Speaker AWow.
Speaker ASo in a job you don't like, single, 36 years old, $216,000 in student loan debt.
Speaker AThen it goes on.
Speaker AThe one thing I do have is $10,000 in a high yield savings account that I worked really hard for.
Speaker AAnd I want to stop right there.
Speaker AThat is an accomplishment, because I think about it like this.
Speaker AYou got a huge amount of student loan debt over your head.
Speaker AYou're in a job you don't like, but you've been able to put away $10,000.
Speaker ASo right away, give yourself some encouragement.
Speaker AThat is a fantastic thing.
Speaker AWell, let's continue on.
Speaker AHe says, my student loan payments just jumped from zero to $217 a month, and I feel like I'm barely getting by.
Speaker AI grew up moving home to home, and I'm completely on my own financially.
Speaker AI've got no financial safety net at all.
Speaker AI do have a little wiggle room, my budget each month, but I don't know what to do with it.
Speaker AI want to set myself up for the future, but I don't even know where to start.
Speaker AHow do I.
Speaker AWhat do I do financially when I feel like I'm already behind?
Speaker AAnd I just want to thank you so much for sending that in.
Speaker AIt took a lot of courage to send that in.
Speaker AThere's a lot of young people just like you that are saddled with student loan debt, and they really don't know what to do about it.
Speaker AAnd for so long, for the last several years, they've been in these forbearance periods where they're not making any principal payments at all.
Speaker AAnd then all of a sudden, it's like, wham, I got to start paying this monthly, which is a good thing in the long run because all of those loans are just collecting interest.
Speaker AAnd trust me, that mountain is just getting bigger and bigger.
Speaker ABut the first thing I want to do here, the first thing you need to understand, you've got to stop comparing yourself to people who had a head start that you never got.
Speaker AYou were very clear in your circumstances.
Speaker AYou said, I moved around.
Speaker AI didn't have anybody helping me.
Speaker AI had no financial safety net.
Speaker AWhat I really hear you saying is you come from a place where no one really showed you how to be financially successful.
Speaker AAnd I totally understand it.
Speaker AI work with a lot of people every day that are in that same situation where they weren't given any guidance.
Speaker AYou know, you may come from a family where maybe mom and dad were financial wrecks, and you wonder why you struggle.
Speaker ABut see, the thing is, you've learned something from that you learn, I put money away.
Speaker AListen, $10,000 is not a small amount of money.
Speaker AThat's a lot of money for somebody who's just starting out now.
Speaker AAnd I understand the pressure you're in right now.
Speaker AYou got this payment that's suddenly jumping.
Speaker AThere's no warning, there's no plan in place.
Speaker AAnd then you've got this other situation like I've got this student loan debt.
Speaker AI don't have a lot of money set aside.
Speaker AI'm not putting anything into retirement.
Speaker AI got a job I hate.
Speaker AI got a career field I got a degree in that I can't use.
Speaker AAnd what you really saying here is you don't know which financial problem to solve first when everything feels urgent.
Speaker ABut number one thing, like I said, you're not behind, you're starting from someplace, but you've got no help.
Speaker AAnd those are two different things.
Speaker ASo here's the first thing I'm going to encourage you to do.
Speaker APick one direction for some wiggle room in your particular case.
Speaker AThe first thing I would do is start to build that emergency fund.
Speaker AYou've got $10,000, that is good, that's a savings account.
Speaker ABut I would start to build an emergency fund that you can go to if you have a struggle in during one month.
Speaker ANow, a lot of people will tell you to do three to six months worth of income.
Speaker ALet's not start there.
Speaker ALet's start at $1,000 or $1,500 and just add a little bit to it.
Speaker AHey, even if you can only do 25 or $50 per pay, just put it into that retirement fund.
Speaker AThe other thing I want to mention here is you're not doing anything with retirement.
Speaker AWhich leads me to this question.
Speaker AIn your company 401k plan, is there a match?
Speaker AAnd what I mean by that is, if you contribute, does your employer contribute as well?
Speaker AIf you, if there is and you're not putting anything into it, it's kind of like, think about this.
Speaker ALet's say you're walking down the route and all of a sudden you see a hundred dollar bill laying on the sidewalk.
Speaker AAnd you say to yourself, hmm, there's $100 laying on the sidewalk.
Speaker ADo I pick it up?
Speaker ADo I bend over and pick it up or not?
Speaker AWell, if you've got a 401 at work and your employer is offering something for you if you put money into it, it's the same analogy.
Speaker ASo if you have that, I would encourage you to at least contribute enough to get to the amount of matching.
Speaker ABecause if not, you're walking past that $100 bill and, and just letting the fellow behind you pick it up.
Speaker AThat is a big thing.
Speaker AThe other thing you want to do is take a look.
Speaker AHow can you work on getting that student loan debt down?
Speaker ANow I'm not telling you to work on all three things at once.
Speaker AJust pick one.
Speaker ASo right now, if I'm you, the first thing I'm doing is reaching out to HR and finding out is there any matching for your retirement plan.
Speaker AAnd trust me, I'm not trying to shame you or judge you, but if there is, you're losing money, you're leaving money on the table.
Speaker AIf you don't at least contribute that in the minimum amount, a lot of places they'll match up to 3% which means for every 3% you put in, they're going to put 3% in as well.
Speaker AAnd at 36 years old, whatever that is that you started, that money will grow really quickly.
Speaker ASo don't neglect that.
Speaker AMaybe right now, maybe if you don't have that, then look at the emergency fund or look at paying off debt.
Speaker AYou also might want to take a look at, at what they call low income driven repayments for your student loan.
Speaker AYou're not the only person that's going through this.
Speaker AThat payment that you're in right now might be higher than it needs to be.
Speaker AThere may be some ways to get that down a little bit especially there's a lot of talk about this in the press all the time.
Speaker ABut here's a scripture verse to encourage you.
Speaker AIt comes from Proverbs, chapter 13, verse 4.
Speaker AIt says the desires of the diligent are fully satisfied.
Speaker AAnd you've already proven your diligence.
Speaker AYou said I have no financial people behind me.
Speaker AI've got no safety blanket.
Speaker ABut you're surviving, you've got money set aside.
Speaker ASo keep going.
Speaker ANow this actually brings up an article that we found in reference to this question.
Speaker AIt was actually written by Kiplingers and it's the title of it is 2026 changes to student loans you need to know.
Speaker AAnd again we'll put a link to that in the show notes because this is one of those hot topics we get a lot of questions about student loans and I mentioned a few minutes ago when what they call income driven repayment.
Speaker AAnd I want to spend a minute on that because the rules change this year.
Speaker AIf you've got student loans and you haven't looked at your options lately, this is important.
Speaker AHere's the things, here's some top line Things being on a repayment plan that no longer exists and not knowing what comes next.
Speaker AThat's where you are right now.
Speaker AAll of a sudden you said it went from zero to $217.
Speaker AYou feel like the rules have changed.
Speaker AWhen you thought you understood them, a lot of people thought, well I'm just going to continue to not have to pay anything on this.
Speaker ANow I, I think that's a pie in the sky idea.
Speaker ABut again, I could make an argument that college had been selling kids on these education that you get this degree, you spend two hundred and some thousand dollars on it, is it worth it?
Speaker ABut now you know, it's too late for that.
Speaker ABut maybe there's something you can do to look at the options.
Speaker ASo let me get into some specifics here.
Speaker AWhat this article talks about is there was something called the save plan that one's gone.
Speaker ABorrowers on it that were in forbearance and interest are building since August 2025.
Speaker ASo what happened is there was a point, as I recall, this is around the COVID time, believe it or not, we're still talking about COVID stuff where you are automatically in forbearance.
Speaker ABut the problem is once this hit in August 2025, the interest started to accrue again.
Speaker ANow there's a new plan that's launching July 1, 2026.
Speaker AIt's called wrap.
Speaker AAnd the way this works is payments are 1 to 10% of the adjusted gross income based on the total balance.
Speaker ASo at $35,000 of income, there's a thing called an IBR.
Speaker AIt's basically income based repayments.
Speaker AYour payments based on your income could be well below that $217 that you're actually paying.
Speaker ALet me give you some quotes from the article.
Speaker AThis is directly from Kiplingers.
Speaker AIt says under this new plan, payments range from 1 to 10% of the borrower's adjusted gross income.
Speaker ASo they're looking at your income.
Speaker ASo depending upon your income, and I don't have all the specifics here in front of me, but you might be able to reduce that $217 down to a more manageable number.
Speaker AThe minimum payment is $10 a month.
Speaker ANow again, there may be reasons that you don't want to just make the minimum payment.
Speaker AA lot of people don't think about this, especially with student loans, they think, well I'll just go into forbearance and I'll just forget about it.
Speaker AThe problem is as you forget about it, it's kind of like sitting in a taxi and driving all over the town and just sitting there, not getting out.
Speaker AThe ticker keeps going.
Speaker AYou're still getting interest added to this on a monthly basis.
Speaker ASo even though you might qualify for a lower income payment threshold, that debt's still going to be out there.
Speaker AIt's not going to go away.
Speaker AHere's the next quote from Kiplinger who says because IBR limits your payments based on your income, it may be the best choice for borrowers with higher income and debt levels.
Speaker AAnd here's another thing it says before you take on debt to fund your child's education.
Speaker ANow this is more directed.
Speaker AThis is a person named Jack Wang who's a wealth advisor and he's kind of putting the cart before the horse, which it doesn't help you, but it really is what we're talking about here today.
Speaker AAnd that's what he says.
Speaker AHe says before you take on debt to fund your child's education, make sure you have a solid plan for your own financial security.
Speaker ASo here's my take on this.
Speaker AHere's what I would do if I were you.
Speaker AMake one visit to studentaid.gov we'll put a link to that in the show notes.
Speaker ABut again, it's studentaid.gov or have a conversation with the student loan counselor because that could change your monthly cash flow.
Speaker ARight now what you're telling me is things are tight.
Speaker ALower the payment, free up some room and build from there.
Speaker AThat may be a way to resolve this situation.
Speaker AMight be a better situation for you.
Speaker AAnd again, I understand it.
Speaker AThere's a lot of misinformation out there.
Speaker AThere's a lot of talk about student loans.
Speaker AWe're actually going to be talking about this on a future show on the Daily Financially Confident Christian.
Speaker AAnd we have a person that wrote in a question that their daughter's looking to go to college and she's got these pie in the sky dreams about where she wants to go to college and the mom wants to have a conversation with her about do you realize how much this is going to cost?
Speaker AAnd this is my own little pet peeve because I think that the way this works is if you're a student going into college, if the student loans will pay for it.
Speaker AYou don't think about how much this is really going to cost you.
Speaker AYou don't think about how, how much these monthly payments are going to be once you graduate and you get out of forbearance.
Speaker AAnd then you don't think about this degree that you got.
Speaker ADoes it really make enough to pay for this?
Speaker AThat's a tough conversation, but it's a conversation that we as a country needs to start having with people before they sign for those student loans.
Speaker AThe reality of the situation, and this is going to be maybe offensive to some universities, but universities have kept on taking the cost going up and.
Speaker AAnd up and up because the student loans are covering it.
Speaker ABut is there value there?
Speaker AThat's a really tough thing to talk about.
Speaker AWell, I'm going to open it up for any questions we have.
Speaker AI'm going to check the chat here, and I'm checking the clubhouse live.
Speaker AI don't see any questions.
Speaker ASo we're going to move on to our third question.
Speaker AAnd this one is completely in my wheelhouse as a professional tax advisor and accountant.
Speaker ASo this question is.
Speaker AIt says, ralph, my wife wants us to file our taxes separately because she says it'll keep her student loan repayments lower.
Speaker AI get this question several times during the year.
Speaker AIt's amazing again, how much misinformation is out there.
Speaker ABut this one's a little more interesting.
Speaker ALet me continue what they say, but I've always heard that filing jointly is almost always the better move.
Speaker AI will agree with that.
Speaker AIn general, filing jointly is almost always the better move.
Speaker ANow, there are circumstances, there are certain nuances where it doesn't always work that way, but.
Speaker ABut in general, that is a general statement.
Speaker AThat's true.
Speaker ABut let me continue what they're asking me.
Speaker AIt says, is there ever a good reason for a married couple to file separately?
Speaker AYes, there are.
Speaker AI'm going to throw one out there that a lot of people don't think about.
Speaker AI had a client maybe about 15 years ago, came in and sat down with me in my office, and husband and wife, you could tell there was a little tension.
Speaker AAnd the wife said to me, she says, raf, she says, can you be honest about something?
Speaker AI'm like, well, that's why you're here.
Speaker AAnd she says, my husband is a loan shark.
Speaker AAnd I said, okay.
Speaker AAnd she says, he, you know, he's a bookie.
Speaker AHe does all these kind of stuff.
Speaker AAnd the husband, I thought he was gonna come on glued.
Speaker AAnd she says, but if we file a joint tax return and the IRS comes after him for tax evasion, would I be responsible?
Speaker AAnd I said, yes.
Speaker AI said, if you file a joint tax return with your husband and you are, you're what's called separate and liable for those taxes because you're filing a joint tax return.
Speaker ASo she looked me square in the eyes and she said, so what are my options?
Speaker AI said, well, you can choose to file a joint tax return.
Speaker AIf you do, then you would be joint and what they call, I'm sorry, joint and severely liable for that tax.
Speaker AIn other words, the IRS can come after you, they can come after both of you, they can come after your individual or they can come after both of you.
Speaker ASo I said your only two options, you file jointly or, or you could do Mary, filing separately.
Speaker AAnd I said, but the thing you need to understand is if you file separately, what that means is that there are going to be some changes and we're going to talk about those in a couple minutes.
Speaker ABut in this particular question, what you're really trying to do is you're trying to make the right call as a couple, but you're getting conflicting information.
Speaker AThis is my annoyance with the Internet, with TikTok and YouTube and all these clowns all over the Internet say, well, do this and do that.
Speaker AI've seen it happen a lot right now.
Speaker ABut with clients that are going into Social Security to getting Social Security, I don't know if somebody at the Social Security Administration is just giving bad information or what, but I've got client after client calling and coming in for their appointments and saying my husband and I need to file separately because the folks at Social Security told me if we file together, I'm going to have to pay tax on my Social Security.
Speaker ACompletely wrong information.
Speaker ABut I must have dispelled that 15 times there.
Speaker ABut you really have to focus in on the, the short term savings, are they worth the long term trade offs?
Speaker ABecause what your particular question is one of those situations, and I've dealt with this several times actually, where if you file a joint tax return, then your repayment amount is based on your adjusted gross income from the joint tax return instead of your individual income, not joint income.
Speaker ABut you have to be careful that you're not making a choice based on what sounds right instead of what the numbers actually say.
Speaker ABecause again, there are a whole bunch of people out there promoting these ideas that just aren't true.
Speaker ASo let's get into the nitty gritty of this.
Speaker AI want to address some of the things.
Speaker AFirst thing is your wife is not wrong.
Speaker AThere are situations where filing separately is better.
Speaker AIn this particular case, filing separately can lower your wife's loan repayments because of that IBR plan.
Speaker AAgain, it goes back to that income based repayment plan uses individual income, not your combined income if you file separately.
Speaker ABut again, just remember this, a lot of people don't think about this.
Speaker AYes, that's great.
Speaker AIt cuts down on the monthly payment.
Speaker ABut again, that mountain is still growing because the interest is still going up.
Speaker ASo you might think you're making a great short term decision because you're cutting back on the amount you have to pay every month.
Speaker ABut what you don't think about is in the long term, that mountain is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
Speaker AAnd like I said, I've worked with clients in this very issue.
Speaker AI actually have one I'm thinking of right now.
Speaker AI don't want to share their specific information, but he actually had a more interesting situation where he went into a field where if he would work in a particular field for 10 years, after 10 years, they actually forgave all his student loans.
Speaker ASo for the past 10 years, we filed separately him and his wife because he didn't want to have to make payments during that time because the payments would have been wasted.
Speaker ABecause at certain point, after working in his field for 10 years, it's a beautiful situation, actually working in his field for 10 years, the student loans were wiped out.
Speaker AThey're gone.
Speaker ASo in his particular case, that mountain that I talked about, that interest growing was irrelevant.
Speaker ASo for us, we filed it separately every year.
Speaker AIt kept his income under a certain threshold.
Speaker AHe didn't even have to make payments because by the time we added his children, his dependents on here, he didn't have to make any payments at all.
Speaker AAnd for him, he's just pushing the stone uphill.
Speaker ABut at some point that stone got crushed because it got written off.
Speaker ABut the real question here is, does the loan savings outweigh the tax increase?
Speaker AI'll give you an example.
Speaker AOne couple saved $9,332 a year filing separately.
Speaker AAt the same time, I've worked with other clients that have lost $1,000.
Speaker AThere's no universal right answer.
Speaker AYou've got to run the numbers before you file.
Speaker AThis is one of those times where don't try to do this yourself.
Speaker AGo hire a professional accountant.
Speaker AGo hire somebody that knows what they're doing because you got to run the numbers and make sure it makes sense for you.
Speaker AAnother thing you can do, and we'll put a link to this in the show notes, is you can use the Federal Student Aid Loan simulator that's@studentaid.gov and then you can compare the tax differences.
Speaker ABut this isn't a time to guess.
Speaker AAnd our scripture verse here that I found was from the Book of Amos.
Speaker AThis is one I use a lot when I counsel married couples.
Speaker AAnd it's Amos 3.
Speaker A3 Says, do two walk together unless they have agreed to do so.
Speaker AThe thing is you've got to come to agreement.
Speaker AYou got to understand the numbers and stop guessing at them.
Speaker ABut here's a great.
Speaker AWe have a little bit of a follow up on this one.
Speaker AWe actually found right from the student loan planner, there's an article called Married Filing Separately for Student Loans.
Speaker AWe'll put a link to that in the show notes.
Speaker AAnd this question comes up more than people realize.
Speaker ASo I want to dig into some actual research because the answer is not as simple as most people think.
Speaker AA lot of people think.
Speaker AAnd like I said, I've dealt with situations where it made sense.
Speaker AI've dealt with situations where it doesn't make sense.
Speaker ABut here's the problem.
Speaker AWhen you file separately, and a lot of people don't know this, there are tax credits that are tied to filing jointly.
Speaker AIf you file separately, you, you lose those credits and depending upon your situation could be child tax credits, it could be education credits, it could be rental property losses.
Speaker AAll of those things, if you choose to file separately, will go away.
Speaker AOr they could be limited.
Speaker ASo you've got to make the decision not in isolation, but looking at the whole picture.
Speaker AWhen I sit down with tax clients, husband and wife is a very common scenario.
Speaker AI have software that'll run all the different scenarios at the same time.
Speaker ASometimes it works out better, sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker AI would say I probably do 500 individual tax returns a year.
Speaker AOf those 500, probably five out of 500 benefit from a financial standpoint on filing returns separately.
Speaker ANow, there could be other reasons like I talked about, I got that client that's a.
Speaker AWell, he's not a client anymore.
Speaker ABut I had clients that were doing, we'll call it inappropriate things and the spouse didn't want to be involved with that.
Speaker ABut generally it's unusual for it to work.
Speaker AAnd you also have to think about the long term effectiveness that one decision could affect the rest of the years.
Speaker ASo here's some key findings we found in this report.
Speaker AFiling separately does mean that those identified payments are based on the income of only one person.
Speaker ASo that could lower your payment.
Speaker ABut again, understand the interest is still accruing, it's still growing.
Speaker AYou're just adding it to bigger.
Speaker AIt also means that you lose the student loan interest deduction.
Speaker ASo that could be part of this too.
Speaker AYou could lose part of your earned income tax credit and part of the dependent care credit.
Speaker AHere's another thing a lot of people don't tell you.
Speaker AYou can amend a joint return, but you can't amend joint to separate.
Speaker AThat's an important thing.
Speaker ASo you can amend a return to joint.
Speaker ALike if for some reason you decide to file a joint tax return and let's say later you find out it would have been better to file separately, you can do that, but you can't amend joint to separate.
Speaker AI think I may have just messed that up.
Speaker ALet me rephrase that.
Speaker AYou can amend separate returns.
Speaker ALet me rephrase it because I just totally fouled that up.
Speaker AI wasn't losing my mind today.
Speaker AHere's the deal.
Speaker AIf you file separate returns, let's say you and your husband decide we're going to file separate returns.
Speaker ABut it works out that it didn't make sense to file separate returns.
Speaker AYou can amend the separates to make them joint.
Speaker AYou just can't do it the other way around.
Speaker ASo here's some quotes right from that article.
Speaker AThis is right from the student loan planner.
Speaker AIf you file jointly, your payment is going to be based on joint income no matter what.
Speaker ASo if you want your payment based solely on your income, the most recent return on file must be separate.
Speaker ASo that's what it's telling you.
Speaker ABut again, I probably said this 15 times already, but don't lose sight of the fact that you're still going to pay that.
Speaker ANow, unless you have that sweet deal like my client had.
Speaker AThere are physicians, there are nurses that have the same deal.
Speaker AIf you work in your field for a certain number of years, they actually will forgive those student loans.
Speaker AIn that case, that's probably a good thing to do.
Speaker AHere's another thing it said in the article.
Speaker AIt says if filing separately costs you less in taxes than what you save in student loan payments, you've got the green light again.
Speaker ARemember who's writing this.
Speaker AThey like the fact that you're paying them interest.
Speaker AThere's another thing it says in here.
Speaker AYou can flip flop from year to year.
Speaker AThe IRS doesn't care.
Speaker AIt's just what makes sense for you to do now, this year.
Speaker ASo again, it depends on your situation.
Speaker AGo hire somebody, go pay a little bit of money and make sure it's the right thing for your situation.
Speaker ASo here's my take on this whole situation.
Speaker AYour wife isn't wrong, but you've got to work together on this.
Speaker AIf you don't have all the numbers yet, make sure you get those and fix it before you file, not after.
Speaker ADon't just do what everyone else does.
Speaker AThink through it and decide on this together.
Speaker AOkay, so now that we've kind of Closed out.
Speaker AI'm just going to check the room here.
Speaker AIf you see me looking aside, it just, I want to see if there's anybody that wanted to ask a question.
Speaker AThe whole point of this show was really to get people to come and ask questions.
Speaker AThat's why I'm here.
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Speaker AAll of these things.
Speaker ABring up a couple of things.
Speaker ALet's talk with the first one, the nursing it.
Speaker AIf you're in survival mode and the nurse was really in survival mode, find one program you haven't tried, whether that's the food bank, wic, employee assistance.
Speaker AJust find one thing and let's talk about the other person.
Speaker AIf you feel behind, take $1 of wiggle room and move it somewhere.
Speaker ABuild that emergency fund.
Speaker ALike I said, check in with your company about the 401.
Speaker AMake sure you're not leaving that $100 on the sidewalk.
Speaker AThink about that debt.
Speaker AJust make $1 in one direction.
Speaker AAnd if you're filing taxes next year, we're too far too past tax season now.
Speaker ABut run the numbers.
Speaker AMeet with somebody that's a professional.
Speaker ADon't go on to online site or go look at TikTok or YouTube and just say wow or Reddit.
Speaker AI'm gonna go figure out what it says on there.
Speaker ARun the numbers.
Speaker ATalk to a professional.
Speaker ADon't guess.
Speaker AKnow where you act before you act.
Speaker AJust one step.
Speaker AYou're not failing.
Speaker AThat's the thing that the common thread that goes through all these questions today.
Speaker AYou're not failing.
Speaker AYou're surviving.
Speaker AYou're starting and you're deciding.
Speaker AThat's movement.
Speaker AAnd if you want more of these type of situations, these type of questions, I answer these every day on my daily show.
Speaker AThe best way to get to that is go to financiallyconfidentchristian.com Again, that's financiallyconfidentchristian.com and like I said earlier, if you want a copy of of my faithful money framework, we talked about that a lot on the last show.
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Speaker AIt's at financiallyconfidentchristian.com FCCLive Again, that's financiallyconfidentchristian.com FCCLive Same time next Friday.
Speaker ABut how about we pray as we close out today?
Speaker ALord, I just want to thank you for these people with the questions today.
Speaker AThank you for their honesty about where they really are.
Speaker ALord, you feel the shame.
Speaker AAnd help them break that shame cycle.
Speaker AHelp them see they're not alone.
Speaker AAnd give them one clear next step this very week.
Speaker ARemind them all that survival is success, starting is courage, and deciding together is love.
Speaker AAnd I just ask this in Jesus name.
Speaker AAmen, friend.
Speaker ALet me leave you with this.
Speaker AYour financial situation doesn't define your worth.
Speaker AIt just doesn't.
Speaker AYour willingness to change, it does.
Speaker ASo I will see you again next week.